Leave until product has dried to a crust (approx. Screening disks in 60-, 80- and 120-grit roughness, Gloss applicator (looks like a push broom). Then I use my random orbital sander for the automotive rubbing compound. As this rifle will be sitting in my safe for 95% of its lifetime, do I have to seal it with a protective coat or can I just polish the last layer of Tung oil. Fortunately, there is a way that just about ANY finish can be improved and it happens well after the final coat is applied. Yes, it’s stain and varnish in one. The Wood Whisperer abides by word of mouth marketing standards and holds integrity in the highest regard. Thanks in advance! Starting along one wall, run the screener across the floor, in the direction of the floorboards, grinding off the top layer of existing gloss. Where would stain fit in the process if one wanted to stain the wood? As an alternative, try Mirka Abralon pads in 500, 1000, and 2000 grit. I’m thinking about purchasing one and they have a vast array of polishers to choose from. The higher the grit, the glossier the finish will be. I always enjoy reading the information put out for the public on surface finishes. Should I lightly sand the wood with a high grit (i.e. I love the matte look of the raw wood but know that I need to seal them. That is a great video with tons of helpful information. Obviously every product is slightly different. Thin coats will result in you burning through the top layer. Or do I need to find a way to remove the residual wax and reapply a layer of shellac before starting again? I’ll check it out with the paint shop. In 1978, the U.S. federal government banned the sale of lead-based paint on the … The bottom of the slab was only sanded to 320 grit and got the mineral spirit tung oil solution. Hi Marc, long time follower first time poster here. Our wood trim is too “shiny” for my taste. An alternative solution would be adding a coat of compatible satin or matte poly or varnish on top … I currently spray, using 25% thinner with the varnish, should I drop that down a bit for the last coat? Be sure to do this in a well-ventilated area, as the fumes from these chemicals can be dangerous as well. I followed all of your directions in your video concerning using dyes. Also, you can use a clear wood filler as a generic option that should work in all woods. Over the course of a couple of days I applied three coats of a semi gloss poly acrylic also by Minwax. Paint stripper will bubble your gloss and make it easier to scrape and sand once you have left the paint stripper on for an hour. Apply a third coat and let it dry for a two days (don't sand it). Thanks for your response, Marc. You can reduce the gloss of an existing finish by gently wet sanding with 600 or 800 grit sandpaper. One last option is to try the epoxy again…this will be our family dinner table (hopefully for a ling time) so I would like a tough finish and if a polished surface is a bad idea…I’m open to adjusting. Alternatively, the product can be left overnight. It’s to be expected that our finish will nearly always have dust and other pieces of debris residing within it. You can get a little bit of sheen from buffing with wax. You might want to experiment with various brands but the one I decided on was Menzerna, primarily based on Jeff Jewitt’s endorsement of the product. This was a great video and very informative. Thanks. Just oil and color. 1 coat lacq….. Norton 3x is Stearated and it resists clogging well. Looking good, then I used the IP2000 with a surbuf pad…. Now it feels like a Ferrari. You’ll want to treat the whole surface the same way since you’re effectively scratching the finish. I think this process is exactly what I need to restore my coffee table top to like new. I am trying to finish a piece of “raw” wood, with some bark, etc on parts. However, now I need some advice. If so, you can use any oil-based topcoat on top of it, once it’s completely cured. I was thinking about buying a mirror glaze compound like meguiars m7 but i dont know if thats the answer. If the gloss on your wood floor is so shiny that it looks fake—and maybe even is too slippery to be safe—refinish it with a low-gloss polyurethane, which provides the same protection but is less reflective. Also, i want to ask; What is wood surface finish? If you want to play it safe, wait 3-4 weeks for all finishes. I have hand leveled it (800 grit) it and wet sanded down with a Makita random orbit sander with 1200, 1500, and 2000 grit, but I got swirl marks, very visible. For final smoothing, I used 600, 1200, 2000 for the smoothing process, but was extremely careful not to burn through. I have some raw Walnut cabinet doors. Poly isn’t the best candidate for rubbing out but I know folks have done it successfully. It fell apart at the leveling phase as I kept sanding through the thin spots (using a block). I have a beautiful dining room table that I have had in a non climate controlled warehouse. Thanks! White there are traditional abrasive powders that you can use for this purpose, like rottenstone and pumice, the newest formulations in automotive rubbing compounds work like a charm. 1) I assume we need different shades of wood filler from Timbermate. It was weird to essentially take all the shine and gloss off, and then put it back on, but my piece now looks glass smooth – better than before. Been working on how to improve the look of my finishes. Followed your instructions but after I polished using IP2500 some areas of the humidor are glass smooth and clear and other good sized areas are flat and matte? Since brushing dry dust is easier than wiping away a liquid, I can monitor the shiny low spots more often and decrease my risk of sanding through. Is there a product that will simply dull a glossy surface? Great information!!!! I would say you need to start applying lacquer and start building your coats. I rubbed out a test board with paste was and steel wool, and was very pleased with the results. Before it felt like, well, wood with a gloss varnish. I just had some kitchen cabinet doors refinished in oil-based lacquer, eggshell or satin finish. Hi Marc I purchased it from one prior owner. Generally speaking, when staining, you don’t want to sand until you have at least two coats over the stain. Very well presented info. Wet sand level the next day (600) and shoot three more coats. He currently covers regional politics for a Midwestern newspaper. Plus, you don't have to … After the surface is fully polished, you should be left with a deep rich gloss that has no equal! Aaarghh! PLEASE HELP! Sand it just enough to take off the shine of the gloss so the next coat will stick. HELP! McDermott writes about home improvement for various websites. I will be thankful for any advice. Have you tried this? I would try your first idea and abrade the surface to dull it a bit. You got a very nice result there using the ETS 150/3 (or 5?). What over the counter polish should I use? Start with coarse 80-grit sandpaper in a manual hand sander or power sander. It looks like the ets150/3. Thank you and well done! Must be a real chore on non-flat surfaces. I thought I would add to Marc’s reply. The Wood Whisperer is proudly sponsored by brands that Marc trusts. It has a really shine to the wood, but I’ve been hearing that I need to polish and seal the wood. For instance, on this project you used 320 and on the contemplation bench you used platin 1000. So you want to have an even scratch pattern across the entire top. I finish my guitars with a water-based lacquer from Grafted Coatings called KTM-9. If scraping, ragging, and heating don’t do diddly, you’ll need to resort to a solvent to break down the paint. You might try abrading the surface with 1000-2000 grit paper and soapy water as a lubricant. I like to use Festool Platin Abrasives, 500, 1000, and 2000. Vacuum up the dust. The bottom darkened considerably. The tabletop is cherrywood, has lots of light scratches and one deep one from a cat’s claw when it ran over the surface during a bad catfight (don’t even get me started). It’s a random orbital sander. I have a high gloss dining room table that has shallow scratches all over the top of it. Once the surface is leveled, we can proceed with abrading the surface with increasingly higher and higher grits. That process is called rubbing out. Some are higher quality than others but whether or not you use a particular material depends on what else you’re using and what your sheen goals are. Consistency should be like a thick milkshake, pourable without being watery. Once again, soapy water serves as a lubricant. So Rockler might have a typo. Hi Marc, I’m new at this and decided to make a butcher block table out of red oak. The surbuf packaging says it’s capable of removing swirl marks. Remove all grime, wax, and oils by washing the finished surface with soap and warm water. In fact, wear your respirator and work outside if you can. Steve at woodworking for mere mortals used some for his chess board build? You either want to match the Timbermate to the color of the wood or use something different for intentional contrast. I decided to go with a more traditional finish…thinking that a tung oil coat (50/50 tung and denatured alcohol) would be a good start since I’m going to be out of the shop for a full week and have 8 chairs to build so the base coat can cure for weeks. Though labor-intensive, sandpaper is capable of removing nearly any wood finish. 2) Can you use these same techniques on small jewelry boxes (ie: 2x3x4″), or is it difficult to use the Festool sander on such small items? Leveling takes the most time for me and its nice to be able to do that process dry. Have been making furniture for years and was never really happy with the look and feel of the final coat. Marc, My problem is taking a high gloss oil-based finish on a front porch to a lower sheen, closer to a semi-gloss or satin. After using this process I now know how to get a real great look. Marc, you simply do an amazing job of sharing your skills. Or only after all coats of lacquer have been applied? Yes, CA has been getting tough on finishes for years now. Perform Your Initial Scraping. Use damp rags to wipe away the excess water/finish slurry and it just might fix the problem. I assume you would stain the wood before the sealer coat is applied and then continue as shown in the video? From what I’ve found, lacking gloss at the final step is usually due to insufficient buffing through the grits. Getting Started 1 First, make sure the wooden object is not wet. I use 320 grit wet/dry paper and a bit of soapy water as a lubricant. However, the shellac on the test board had cured for a couple of weeks at the time, and I realized when attempting to apply the same technique to a shelf that had only just been shellacked, the results were as I’d not applied wax and steel wool at all. This can be done in a number of ways using a variety of materials, but I really like using Timbermate water-based filler. Load up your floor screener with the roughest grade of paper (60-grit). Set the applicator in the gloss and pull it back across the floor, with the direction of the floorboards. At this point, is it safe to try again after some more time? Even with considerable wiping the finish seemed to just bead up on the surface. :). It appears this table is commermcily made because the top is constructed a lot of small stips, and the grain orientation varies a lot throughout. The porch was previously painted with a semi-gloss oil-based solid stain, but my understanding is that they now only offer high gloss in oil stains. For leveling I sand by hand dry with a cork sanding block using either 320 or 400 grit. Choose a fine-grit sandpaper and scrub the cabinet doors thoroughly. Is there any shortcut to fixing this other than respraying the entire piece in lacquer and hoping that the next sanding effort works better than the first? These soft foam pads fit right onto standard hook & loop sanders. Fo you think that is a good sander for general finish sanding, doing a satin finish and the occasional high gloss? Will this rubbing process work if I use arm-r-seal in place of the acrylic lacquer that you used in the video but kept the rest of the process the same? 1. If you are going to paint, remove the gloss, seal it with a product like Kilz, so the old finish doesn't bleed through the new paint. not sure if this makes any sense….but would this technique work with painted wood surfaces? To apply the polishing compounds, I use Surbuf pads. I have done 4 layers expecting to take it down a bit before polishing. It was, in fact on top of Arm R Seal gloss – about 5 coats worth and I had let it cure for about 3 weeks. A brush clears the work of dust which for me is easier than wiping liquid away. Bottom line is you’re buffing the topcoat, not the material under it. Our painter claims is is low sheen but I SEE My hope is this: That I can lightly polish the existing finish to remove the light scratches, apply three fresh coats of lacquer and then proceed from step one. No need to go to the hardware store -- you have everything you need to remove water marks. Having said that, if you’ve got an old paint brush with thick bristles it can be used to get under the layers of gloss and it just peels off. It’s cool that you shared some of the latest Guild build on the free site. I am trying to do a high gloss poly finish on doors and I’m using Festool Granit paper. How to Remove Paint from Wood Floors with a Heat Gun. And if so, what happens the next time I need to paint the porch? Where do you play? There are lots of rubbing compounds on the market. 3. Looks good, Marc! Thanx !!! I use a poly finish and after the first 3 – 4 coats, I start to sand between coats. Fortunately, this process works with just about any film finish. Thanks so much!!!! Might improve the results. Can you tell me what I need to do to to make this a Matte finish, we have applied one coat of varnish with the satin label. I’ve got a 14-foot table finished with General Finishes Arm-R-Seal oil based poly and I’m looking to rub out the finish. It is a great way to get that high gloss to really shine. Can you give us an example of the consistency we should shoot for in a filler? So can you tell me more about the product that’s already on there? Well you could just spray more lacquer in that one area and blend it in. Interesting in learning more about the Humidor shown in the video? As Jay said, I’m using the Festool ETS 150/5 sander. It becomes more noticeable in certain lighting. Hasn’t yet happened in many other states though. No bannisters but I did srip[ an oak dresser that had many may layers of white gloss on it. But if using a varnish, you just need to keep the final coat fairly thick so that you don’t burn through. Is there a mistake somewhere? How to Remove Gloss Paint. There are 3 coats gloss / 2 coats satin on top (the satin finish is essentially the same product as the gloss, but with suspended colloid to break up the sheen, if I understand correctly). What would you recomend?? I never sand finish below 320. Whether you’re dealing with a gloss or emulsion paint stain on clothes, the most important thing to check is whether the paint is oil- or water-based. Rubbing out is a three-step process (not including pore-filling) that does require some specialized tools and materials. For latex drips, try denatured alcohol or a product like Goof-Off, both available in paint and hardware stores. This site uses affiliate links. A fellow woodworker who is also a fellow World of Warcraft player! (less than the grain raising , but not as smooth as a 220 grit sanding. Hi Marc: Larry Kosilla of AMMO NYC put together an incredibly detailed video explaining the ins and outs of removing … just wondering not finishes i have much experience in but i love the results and will have to try on the curly cherry jewelry box I’m finishing for my wife. Have you considered trying something with a motor? it has been of great source for my thesis. When paint spatters mar your wood furniture, you can't reach for paint stripper or sandpaper, … How to Remove Glue from Wood. Sander. The blanks were close to flat but apparently not close enough and the result I had burn through before I had flattened the low spots. Im trying to polish my ash top guitar, i sanded already 400, 600, 1000, 1200 and finally i used a 3m high gloss compound (by hand). If using varnish how many coats do you suggest for this process? If not, is there any replacement for the acrylic lacquer because I have no ability to spray in my shop? Breaking down the gloss on the finish will allow an otherwise sound coat of paint to remain as primer with no other treatment required. I bought Surbuf polishing pads, and I’m waiting on Menzerna 2500 and 3500 to come in the mail. Now the tricky part. So at this point I am unable to give sound advice because I don’t really have a good idea of what’s currently on the surface. Thank you so much for all the useful advise, you have answered so many of my finishing questions. Polish goes EVERYWHERE. Also lesson learned. But sometimes it gets too much of a shine. Would a quarter sheet palm sander achieve the same goal? If you’re doing this by hand, that could very well be part of the problem. Those are for making distressed finishes ;). These videos will always be here for you to enjoy. Even after a finish dries to the touch, there is an additional period of time before the finish is up to full hardness. I always give honest opinions, findings, and experiences on products. Apply a second coat of gloss in the same way you did the first. Hi Marc. so I sanded to 220 and sprayed two coats of Target Coatings em1000 sand sealer sanding in between each and then I sprayed 9 coats of em6000 water based lacquer sanding with 400 grit between, but I can still fill the wood grain will I be able to rub this to a high gloss or take it down to a semi gloss? We are going for a more rustic look. I would guess that if you wait longer, you should be able to repeat the wax and steel wool process with success. Your email address will not be published. I use 320 grit wet/dry paper and a bit of soapy water as a lubricant. I am so glad it turned out just as lovely as the first time I refinished this old table. From reading similiar articles on refinishing and preserving the wood, I have gone down the path of coating the wood stock with 100% pure tung oil. Marc – Finally got to try this last night, although I bought the SF4000 in lieu of the SF4500 by accident. ETS150’s are 6″ only. For deeper stained, or irregular and missing shellac stain, removing it is … I only sand if there’s a reason to. The “last resort” is just to leave it as is, let it cure, and shoot it with dewaxed shellac, followed by fine wool and wax. I finish it off with turtle wax. A light touch is really all that’s needed. So if you haven’t noticed it, then you might just be using species that don’t require pore filling. For hardwood, use grade 00 … Many gloss paints are water-based, but this isn’t a guarantee. Very informative video that I want to try…but have a couple questions I have a small project where I used gloss polyurethane. Pour more gloss and continue spreading it row by row until you've done the whole floor. a thick semi-gloss top coat. If you have an open-pored wood or one with deep grain lines, you should definitely do a pore-filling process. Thank you for making this possible. Thanks! I used Red Label AbrasIves sanding discs (only thing I could find on Amazon). Check out RentalHQ and get connected with local businesses that’ll help you rent the equipment and tools you need. For best results, use a strong detergent, such as trisodium phosphate, or a substitute. Down the middle of the table (the width) is a high gloss streak, as if it was mistakenly rubbed on; maybe from a high gloss oil on a rag? How to remove gloss and emulsion paint from clothes. Let’s face it, very few of us have spray booths and our shops are far from ideal finishing environments. However, my request is if i could get some literature review and or refernces to enable me complete my work. Loving my work so far, however! Once the pores are filled and the surface is flat and smooth, we can begin applying finish. I heard your plan on the WTOR podcast to balance these two sites in the coming year and I think this is a great start. The top of the box that I applied it to is Ambrosia Maple, and it literally feels like a slab of marble. The soapy water helps prevent sandpaper clogging. Given this, please assume that any links leading you to products or services are affiliate links that we will receive compensation from. Step away! The wax is not necessary, but for what I build, it is needed. I am a Masters student of the University of Education, Kumasi-Ghana West Africa. Wood Science and Technology and am writing my thesis on Effect of preservative on surface finishes (varnish, shellac and lacquer) and i ejoy reading information on finishes. One of the most relied upon techniques to remove paint from wood involves paint stripper and some careful scraping. Applying Denatured Alcohol. Clearly I have done something wrong but I don’t know what it is. I sanded/polished to Platin 2000…then tried to apply the ring oil solution. Sponsored tip: Need tools for your project? Depends on the depth of the scratches. I have been told 3M 1000 grit buffing compound would work. It comes out great. Mix a solution of 1/2 cup TSP per gallon of water and wash with a sponge. Marc The harder the finish, the better it responds to rubbing out. For me, the ETS series is just about all I need. If that doesnt work, you can always use a semi-gloss topcoat to change the sheen. Designed and developed by Underscorefunk Design. No reason you can’t follow the process shown in this video as long as you never sand down into your paint layer. Mostly this can only be seen in the right kind of light. Great video! Yes, that’s correct about both shellac and lacquer. Do you have any suggestions? I am glad to see others doing this too. This is kinda a weird question…I want to do the complete opposite of what you are doing here. Is there a wax or oil or similar medium, and/or a technique I can use to get at least a semi- shiny finish? Is that right? I didn’t see my particular issue addressed in the comment thread, so thought I’d cross my fingers and see if you’re still responding. One of the biggest challenges woodworkers face is getting a nice smooth blemish-free finish. Soulfree is my name. Using enough pressure to remove the paint but not so much that it damages the wood. jjrs. Ultimately, they all do the same thing: abrade the surface at a particular grit. Unfortunately, it seems you can only get these pads in the large 15-packs which are quite expensive. Apply by brush or flat bladed tool, ensuring a generous, even coverage of at least 1mm thick layer. Even after two coats you’ll still be able to sand it smooth but you still want to take it easy. Well, Arm R Seal actually is an interior varnish so there wouldn’t be much reason to use another brand on top of the Arm R Seal. I spray-painted three coats of satin black (from cans), followed by several coats of brushed sanding sealer. 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