We do have big brains, after all. Steiner and his followers deny the humanity of many people. It was my intervention that resulted in my daughter being institutionalized and the 30 year old man arrested. I went down it myself, for many long years. But I always try to be truthful.). Of course, we cannot truly know each other completely. If, for instance, I asserted, a) no true Waldorf critic could possibly disagree with me about anything, b) Peter disagrees with me about something, c) therefore Peter is no true Waldorf critic. I grew to love the people I visited, and I cherish their memories. They taste great and make a satisfying snack for both children and adults. I have had to adjust my thinking and acknowledge that there is a systemic problem in the Waldorf movement that goes beyond the covert efforts to spread Anthroposophy. And told other parents and students. It's always best for the "executor" to question any proposed changes to the plan with the designer especially when the intent of the design isn't clear to everyone. The main goal of anthroposophy is to spiritualize ourselves and the world. Nevertheless, these are facts. " Answer: Anthroposophy is rooted in the belief that there is a separate, objective “spiritual world” beyond the physical and that human beings can access that world through the intellect. Was your daughter aware of this label? Anthropomorphism is the attribution of human characteristics or behavior to non-human entities, including animals. At his website, Waldorf Awareness, Pete Karaiskos has written this: "[I]f children may be demons, who decides if they are demons? In the end, the school didn't fire her... she resigned — primarily due to my letter-writing campaigns. — Rudolf Steiner, FACULTY MEETINGS WITH RUDOLF STEINER (Anthroposophic Press, 1998), p. 55. Different folks put the line in different places. I have a crowded schedule for the next few days, so maybe I should just say the following before lapsing into silence again. Sometimes the truths I tell are disagreeable, but my aim is always to tell the truth. She inte… Anthroposophists mean well, but there is no excuse for some of their actions and beliefs. But all anthroposophists I have encountered, including AS members, have recognize me as an anthroposophist. The roughly 1.5-inch (3.8 centimeters) snacks are disqualified from being true nuts, because 10 to 25 of them grow inside a … http://groups.yahoo.com/group/waldorf-critics/message/15367. Unless a brilliant mind is paired with a loving heart, the result can be a sort of bloodless thinking machine.). We really should use them. I'm aware, of course, that many Anthroposophists consider several of us who participate here to be demons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse. Steiner R. Secret Brotherhoods. The two teachers that Highland Hall found to replace these two people were left-overs after all the other new teachers had been hired. Why have they deserved this? I do not like to talk about such things since we have often been attacked even without them. Free shipping available. See more. > But over these past several years, as I have read and studied and corresponded, I've heard more and more of these horror stories. The new teacher then takes his/her "perceptual and cognitive talents" (comment by Dennis) and gladly accepts the sage advice of the dead guru that he/she was destined to be with this particular group of children whilst "carrying out the intentions of the gods" (Steiner) and thus begins a recipe for disaster: Anthroposophists on a religious/spiritual mission hiring un/under qualified new teachers to guide children as they incarnate and connect with the spirit world (eurythmy, etc.) all the while denying the anthroposophical reality of the education. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/waldorf-critics/message/15463. YES, they REALLY DO! The problem is all the worse, of course, when the self-appointed "messiahs" are working in the service of a faith that is utterly irrational and fallacious. The teacher who labeled my daughter as a demon is TEACHING Waldorf TEACHERS at Highland Hall. I hope to get the attorney general involved to recover the taxpayer dollars that Highland Hall should pay — and to investigate what happened to my daughter. They do badly in school and in most other parts of their lives. In maintaining the position that the AS is the set of "all the anthroposophists", TS. Each has their following among anthroposophists, and each is controversial, some more than others. In masonry, using such thinking may actually be a matter of life or death. It need not frighten people, however, for the present phase of evolution. Passages preceded by ">" are quoted from previous messages. Wikimedia Commons has media related to Anthroposophists: Subcategories. LS. Beings that stay behind at such stages appear in a later epoch with approximately the character of the earlier age. I would prefer amity and sanity to prevail. I think — or at least I hope — that none of them could have been so cruel. [https://sites.google.com/site/waldorfwatch/inside-scoop]. One cure for blindness is opening one's eyes. I also experienced them as real human beings and find Steiner's nonsense about demons and various supposed spiritual defects in such people to be totally offensive. One of the biggest problems in any attempt to set up reasonable communications between Anthroposophists and non-Anthroposophists is that, when disagreements arise, the former tend to demonize the latter. From my perspective, everything at Waldorf Watch is true. Let's be honest. In the worst cases, people actually fall out of evolution altogether — there is no race low enough for them, so they lose their souls and become subhuman “subordinate nature spirits”. Waldorf is not harmless and Steiner's ideas are used by very insensitive people to harm children in the name of Waldorf! Recovery from the damage inflicted by a Waldorf school is possible, I truly believe, but when the damage is severe the recovery, obviously, may be prolonged and difficult. Anthroposophy is a discipline of research as well as a path of knowledge, service, personal growth, and social engagement. The North American Anthroposophic Nurses Association strives to uphold and cultivate the Anthroposophic nursing and medical practices indicated by Rudolf Steiner and Ita Wegman. But the larger reason is this: My statement stands in marked contrast to what Steiner said. For Anthroposophists, nearly everything I have written is beyond the line, outrageous, wicked. Anthroposophists (and Mormons and Scientologists and...) tend to think that critical thought is destructive. In addition, they contain a high […] He and I were acquaintances not close friends but always related to each other well. My argument with the schools was that they try to lead kids toward Anthroposophy, and generally they do this covertly, without explicit permission from parents. If we want to hold to a narrower definition — critical thinking is the evaluation of the merits and faults of something — masons still display it. PROFESSIONAL membership. —. [. This is an desirable skill in all lines of work, and it depends on narrowly defined critical thinking. Anyway, Pete, I'm very moved by the situation you described. I'm always a little surprised at the directions the discussion here takes. To most rational people, Rudolf Steiner's doctrines are obvious nonsense. I assume that most Waldorf teachers are good souls and that most Waldorf students are not brutalized by their Waldorf experiences. Shocked recognition of the truth. Writing several days after the end of this discussion, I'd like to add some information that I assumed the participants possessed but that general readers may not. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/waldorf-critics/message/15496. This is a tough nut to crack (as it were). Awhile back, Peter [Staudenmaier] posted an excellent mini-essay here on rationality and rational discussion. They do badly in school and in most other parts of their lives. If a "executor" changes my design, they are, indeed, responsible for the changes they have implemented — good or bad. Oh Why? However, as nuts are also high in calories, 0.5 ounces (14 grams) of nuts or seeds is considered equivalent to 1 ounce (28 grams) of other protein sources, such … 69-70. > For all the damage that Waldorf inflicted on my family, we had things pretty easy. [Here's] why Waldorf teachers think of children as demons... what other being would confront a Waldorf teacher who had been lying? I regret not going to see him for purposes of reconciliation before it was no longer possible. Steiner also spread an even worse doctrine. His other soul-brothers are therefore at a higher stage when he reappears in a new incarnation. After Waldorf, I attended three different colleges in three different states, and later still I taught at a fourth college in a fourth state. They WILL be sorry for what they did... whatever that takes. Highland Hall denies any responsibility - despite years of permitting this to go unchecked. “When a school is based on a spiritual conception of the human being, a more diverse set of values become important. Now let us take an extreme case and imagine that a man unites too fully with what is to constitute the character of an incarnation. So I am reaching conclusions based on fairly secure footings, I'd say. London: Rudolf Steiner Press, 2004, pp. (I don't mean to condemn them, either. Hopefully, they will be able to spot demonic children with pinpoint accuracy like this one could. [, I'd like to supplement Peter's posting with something I put on the Waldorf Watch "news" page today [, I am jumping the gun on this item, which I have taken from the September/October SKEPTICAL INQUIRER [, But this is your lucky day. P.S. My argument with the schools was that they try to lead kids toward Anthroposophy, and generally they do this covertly, without explicit permission from parents. We have big brains. — Rudolf Steiner, FACULTY MEETINGS WITH RUDOLF STEINER, p. 650. and "Inside Scoop: Tackling the Question, How Can Smart People Believe This Junk?" In this, as in other things, I am influenced by Henry David Thoreau. I'm one little guy who will soon be forgotten. A child who has been "educated" by Anthroposophists, for instance, is in desperate need of critical intelligence. A mason, for instance, learns to use critical thinking in the matter of masonry: Is the design for a project good, how many bricks will the job take, how much mortar, where will the loads be borne, how many hours will the job take, how many assistants are needed, what price must be charged to make a profit? ", http://groups.yahoo.com/group/waldorf-critics/message/15460, I was "educated" by some very smart Anthroposophists (J. F. Gardner, F. Winkler, J. Wetzl, etc. But they can't spell or add or think their way out of a paper bag.)". Misunderstandings occur all the time, even among the best of friends. And the teachers were, for the most part, discreet as well as kindly. And a faith or "philosophy" up for various (and often wildly divergent) interpretations. Highland Hall, over the course of a decade, destroyed my daughter's mental health. I hope things will go well for your daughter for the remainder of her life. (And perhaps this is just as well. I do this on the basis of logic, reading, and personal experience. No true Waldorf school would do the things some Waldorf schools do... and yet... they are still "Waldorf" schools, despite Waldorf's RIGHTS to the name. Nuts are generally roasted to improve their taste, aroma and crunchy texture ().Roasting is defined as cooking using dry heat, which cooks the food evenly on all sides. According to Steiner, people judged to be nonhuman may be demons in disguise. By the 10th grade, her mother claims she had "no control over her" and allowed her to be taken in by a 30 year old man who was supplying her with crystal meth. But as I have pointed out, anthroposophists are cultural heretics, so it is natural to make the distinction in certain contexts between the anthroposophical community and the non-anthroposophical community. Anthroposophy suffused everything at the school, but in a relatively low-key way. > I'm aware, of course, that many Anthroposophists consider several of us who participate here to be demons. Please know that you and your daughter have many friends and well-wishers. There are sixteen possibilities of becoming merged with the [i.e., a] race. I'm generalizing. Shocked recognition of the truth. Thoughts. The profound question we confront is how this is possible. Not YET…" [. And sometimes I intentionally try to provoke [see, e.g., ". Everything I have written and posted at Waldorf Watch is provocative, to Anthroposophists. My daughter started on a path of self-destruction from that time on. You might enjoy their company and indeed love them. They informed the police after he left. This is all part of the court record. I'm horrified. What I have learned from you and others has been shocking. Oh Why? But over these past several years, as I have read and studied and corresponded, I've heard more and more of these horror stories. Many of my Waldorf memories are thus crisp and precise, although of course others are cloudy. I assume that most Waldorf teachers are good souls and that most Waldorf students are not brutalized by their Waldorf experiences. Anthroposophy is a human oriented spiritual philosophy that reflects and speaks to the basic deep spiritual questions of humanity, to our basic artistic needs, to the need to relate to the world out of a scientific attitude of mind, and to the need to develop a relation to the world in complete freedom and based on completely individual judgments and decisions. My daughter, being defiant (I thought they like independent thinking), was labeled a demon by her teacher and was bullied for years... cutting herself and finally going into a mental breakdown. Another way of approaching the question would be to ask, Who would Anthroposophists recognizes their own? Right? Grab a handful of almonds to munch on between meals or toss them over a salad for a boost of protein, healthy fats, and antioxidants. > One of the chief reasons I first began reading this list years ago is that I knew I had a lot to learn about Waldorf schools. They appear in a later epoch as subordinate nature-spirits." From my perspective, everything at Waldorf Watch is true. By some unfortunate stroke of bad luck, Waldorf teacher (and now teacher trainer at Highland Hall) Christine Leonard announced my own daughter was demonically possessed when she was 10 years old. The applicant gives the answer he/she knows the hiring committee wants to hear and voila - instant job. My college memories tend to be vague, with a large and ever-shifting cast of characters. > The problem is all the worse, of course, when the self-appointed “messiahs" are working in the service of a faith that is utterly irrational and fallacious. Exposure is what I am seeking for the monsters at Highland Hall. *, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/waldorf-critics/message/15478. Anthroposophy definition, a philosophy based on the teachings of Rudolf Steiner (1861–1925) which maintains that, by virtue of a prescribed method of self-discipline, cognitional experience of the spiritual world can be achieved. In addition to his acute interest in spiritualism, Steiner also turned his attention to many earthly matters. The fellow got a gun and travel north to confront his wife. And I mean literally demonize. It would be a "mistake" I suppose, if the entire school didn't rally around this teacher. This is an appalling moral error. Waldorf schools are usually scrambling for teachers and not because that many parents are seeking an anthroposophical education for their children; its more that parents are often lured into Waldorf's facade because of their fear of conventional models of education. And, of course, such thinking lends itself to the Scotsman fallacy: a) No real human being rejects Anthroposophy. Please know that you and your daughter have many friends and well-wishers. More than just nuts. I knew the man fairly well, so I'm inclined to accept the latter possibility. When Highland Hall fired one second grade teacher (100% of the parents stood up to support him) - the first grade teacher left with him to form a competing school nearby. The article has not appeared online yet, but it should do so soon. The truths I tell about Waldorf schools and Anthroposophy and Rudolf Steiner are extremely provoking, to them. ), so I have thought about this a lot. Good health is achieved when the physical organism is properly “aligned” with three nonphysical bodies that manifest during a human’s lifetime: (1) the “etheric body” (a set of life forces), (2) the “astral body” (higher soul forces), and (3) the “I” (a spark of divine selfhood or ego that separates true humans from animals and subhumans). I think they owe my kids an education still... As far as attorneys getting the money, I'm working on getting my attorney fees for free - and, again, I'm not interested in a windfall - just exposure and accountability from those who harmed my kids. They are called the ‘sixteen paths of perdition.’ On these paths man would merge with the material [i.e., become almost wholly material rather than spiritual]. THAT, I submit, is hateful thinking. According to Steiner, people judged to be nonhuman may be demons in disguise. Now and again I pray for his soul. 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